GREEK OBH-11

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OBH-11，根本就是暴利的产物。
请看一道菜：
准备鸡蛋4~6只，打碎，将蛋清和蛋黄分开，装盘。
蛋清中加入适量盐、姜末、味精，蛋黄加入一点盐、葱末、味精。均打匀后加盖上蒸笼，大火20分钟，等蛋清、蛋黄凝固后去火端下。
稍放凉后，取蒸熟的蛋清，切成条状，大约1厘米见方长约4厘米的条。
蒸熟的蛋黄打碎（不可太碎）备用。
炒勺刷净，擦干，置于灶上，中火，加入2匙温油（豆油或花生油），
待油温达至8成，放入蛋白条轻轻翻炒约1分钟，
然后加入半勺高汤，姜末、料酒、盐、味精、醋、细火腿丝适量，翻炒均匀。动作不要太猛，以免弄断蛋白条。将打碎的蛋黄丁铺洒在蛋白条上，再撒一把葱花。上盖闷2~3分钟，勾芡、起锅，装盘，撒葱花、姜丝，摆好雕刻好的黄瓜、心里美萝卜花等配菜。
赛螃蟹完成。
此菜蛋白似蟹腿，蛋黄似蟹黄，口感鲜嫩，颇似螃蟹滋味。因此取名“赛螃蟹”。
此菜用料极其简单，口感还好，可跟螃蟹比终究不及其味美。饭馆做此菜时不会写”炒鸡蛋“，但是价码是炒鸡蛋的价码，名字诱人，价格实惠。很多客人都会品尝。
有些人称赞，这么简单的料，味道如此不错，好！以后不用吃螃蟹了。
有些人则不以为然，说，不过是拿个幌子蒙人罢了，再怎么叫，本质还是炒鸡蛋。鸡蛋炒得再好，也不是螃蟹，卖不了螃蟹的价。
在音响器材里，也有些这样的“赛螃蟹”，例如OBH-11。
但是OBH-11和赛螃蟹的最大不同点是，它要卖螃蟹的价！
大家说说，是不是值得用买螃蟹的价去买这“赛螃蟹？”

电视

观点明确，好！
不过。。。有点麻烦事情，我找不到解禁的功能了，第一次用，见笑，见笑。

Tango

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nosleep-erji

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[B]观点明确，好！
不过。。。有点麻烦事情，我找不到解禁的功能了，第一次用，见笑，见笑。 [/B]

FT!
干脆我在那边也封了你的ID，你改名叫TV-HEADPHONECLUB得了……
那就扯平了。玩笑……
TV实在没幽默感，LP难找吧……

电视

LP难找死了，那些娘们见我就躲着。
好失败呀，你把我的ID改改吧，我自己不知道怎么改，老是那一个很有挫败感。
平时不用版主管理功能，偶尔用一下还真发现不少问题，哈哈，你就先当下试验品吧，很快很快，我尽快解决。
笑死我了，丢死人了。

Tango

假如是因为误会近而导致争论，然后又有过激的行为，大家是不是有点过头了？希望发烧友们多些谅解吧。

nosleep-erji

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[B]LP难找死了，那些娘们见我就躲着。
好失败呀，你把我的ID改改吧，我自己不知道怎么改，老是那一个很有挫败感。
平时不用版主管理功能，偶尔用一下还真发现不少问题，哈哈，你就先当下试验品吧，很快很快，我尽快解... [/B]

K!
我也没用过这个功能，不知道在哪里找！
算了，看在你也是棒槌的份上，饶了你吧……
哈哈~~~~~

西域

好贴！立论清楚，诙偕幽默，人也大度，就该如此。

念苍僧

太对了，早这样谁会。。。。。

炊烟

GREEK OBH-11 是鸡蛋卖的螃蟹价，吴刚的又有杂音，看来以后不用买耳放了？！

peng7788

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[B]GREEK OBH-11 是鸡蛋卖的螃蟹价，吴刚的又有杂音，看来以后不用买耳放了？！ [/B]

你住什么地方啊??比我这还偏??

nosleep-erji

看看国外对这个“炒鸡蛋”的评价吧，若有看不懂的朋友，我可以翻译。
Creek OBH 11 description is misrepresentation
This was taken from the description of the Creek OBH 11 at their website:

"No expense has been spared to enable the OBH-11 headphone amp to faithfully reproduce a music signal. Only the highest quality components are used in its classic amplifier circuitry, to achieve low distortion and noise, with good stereo separation".


No expense spared????????? erm I tend to disagree with that statement Mr. Creek. You have used the cheapest components available on the market in this amp and you want to revise that paragraph to:

"Expense has been cut down to the bone and we use the cheapest components money can buy in our classic amplifier circuitry to maximise our profits"

God, do these manufacturers think we don&#39t know how to use a screwdriver and "never" have a look under the bonnet? I&#39ll be contacting Michael Creek to ask him why My headphone amplifier didn&#39t come with "the highest quality components" on board and arrived with "cheap crap" instead.

A blatant case of misrepresentation of goods if ever I saw one.

See the full write up on the OBH 11 by Creek here:

http://www.creekaudio.co.uk/product...obh_11_11se.asp

If any other OBH 11 owners here take a screwdriver to the unit and slide the PCB out (easy 30 second job) they will see for themselves that cheaper components couldn&#39t have been used as these "are" the cheapest you can get!

God I&#39m fuming after seeing that description on the Creek site, I will be on the phone to them first thing tomorrow!

Creek OBH 11 Component Horror!
Had my Creek all of one week and can honestly say the headphone output from my audiolab 8000A amp does much the same job.

Time to get under the bonnet to see what was going on: After removing the screws and pulling out the PCB I had to go and get a beer to calm my nerves when I saw the cheap components that were attached to the board!

The largest capacitor was a "Samwha" 35v 2200uF and the rest were a mixture of "Nichicon" and "panasonic" caps.

After doing a bit of research here is the price list (UK) for the capacitors and pot.. the prices will obviously be cheaper for the manufacturer as they buy in bulk.

Samwha 35v 2200uF ?.11
Nichicon 35v 220uF ?.01
Nichicon 50v 47uF ?.03
Nichicon 25v 220uF ?.01
Panasonic 63v 47uF ?.09 (for 3 of them)
Alps Potentiometer ?.39
All resistors ?.25

Total: ?.79 p

I&#39ve got to do a "ball park" on the other components, including the case and power supply and reckon on around ?.30 which gives Creek and the middleman ?25 of profit to split between them.

I was "horrified" to see such crappy componentry inside such a well made little box and there is no need to employ such cheap stuff into a design. It&#39s an example of cutting costs to the bone.

So you will be thinking the amp is going back to the shop?? No way!

I have ordered up some ELNA cerafine and Tonorex caps of the same values on the OBH 11 board and am going to replace the crappy caps with these which I am sure will make a HUGE difference to the sound. They cost me ?3.00 for the 7 capacitors so they have got to be better than the 25 pence Creek stock capacitors.

I hope to get the caps installed by the end of the week and I&#39ll give them a further week to form (burn in) and will then come back and report on the difference, if any, to the sound. If good I will upload the full parts list and photos to my website so other Creek owners can have a go at upgrading to better caps.

For those of you in a hurry here are the ELNA part numbers you&#39ll need:

ROA - 35v221MP9
ROA - 50v470MP9
ROA - 25v221MP9
ROA - 63v470MP9 x 3
ROB - 35v222MK8

Dunno about you guys but I don&#39t expect to find capacitors costing one penny inside a Hi-Fi product. If Marantz can afford to use ELNA silmic caps in their budget CD players then Creek can do likewise. The only real part of this amp that leans toward "quality" is the case.. the rest of the components belong in the dustbin as far as I&#39m concerned.

I&#39m sure this amp will shine though when the signal is going through quality caps
ROA

炊烟

这是别人的评论，你们听过吗？

nosleep-erji

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[B]这是别人的评论，你们听过吗？ [/B]

YES!
“赛螃蟹”！这是我给它的评价，并且我认为这个评价对它十分贴切！并且，很多人都是这个感觉。只不过老外不知道“赛螃蟹”是何物罢了。
你仔细看一下评论，作者并没有对其声音做出什么评价。但是提出的问题是尖锐的，那就是“炒鸡蛋能不能卖螃蟹的价！？”。

炊烟

我个人认为，耳放只要质量好，自己喜欢，这一点很关键。